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You Thought We Wouldn't Notice.COM

Journal Entry: Tue Aug 31, 2010, 6:24 PM
Maybe i'm one in a million people that notice other people tracing and smudging

This is one post that contains something I notice:

Alley Katze traced by another deviantARGHtist


If you want to tell the world what you've found I advice you to gather enough info so you can get your article posted in this page

I've one article awaiting me for the future (because, yes, I work A LOT) involving a phillipine ARGHtist that left DA after I make her notice her tracings (bout 2 years ago) and she even made it into the Street Figther's tribute book by repaiting a picture of the known model : Jessica Stam.

Since it's frustrating to report arthefts here, 'till the point the cathegories for that are so confusing so you drop before you made the repot.
It's a good thing to tell the world these people that are making us, workers, look bad and all like cheaters.

Honesty is a rare virtue nowadays. please teach your kids bout it!!!

Don't forget to check
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You Thought We Wouldn't Notice.COM
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Coz if you cheat, people WILL know

I'm off

UPDATE::How stupid can someone be!
of course, she reposted the image without the camera data

Original photo
Notice how it's the images are the same exact size too

now i'm off again, it was too funny not to show it

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:iconsakura-studio:
=sakura-studio Sep 1, 2010   General Artist
indeed
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:iconkitnami:
...*forget the last post* I reread...your journal entry...o.o she really did trace that fking picture..the second last link..>.< good god..what is she thinking....>.<god dammnit
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:iconkitnami:
....well if your practicing and you post your practice works on deviant art...I think they should say "this is my practice art..these are my references..for practice)

It would be nicer for the to get permission though...but >.< I know that the evidence is that ..and it looks like she really did trace it but..I like to give people benefit of the doubt..I dunno what to make of it..I'm tired.....and junk...yea

tracing is a nono..big time...>.< just don't post it on deviantart...ugh...stupid tracing people claiming it to be their own....makes me angery and tired..
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*OgawaBurukku Aug 31, 2010  Professional General Artist
Some of what was posted was interesting, but some of that seemed a little misguided. They mentioned parodies and homages when that's not copying, that's paying tribute. A lot of what was on that site was downright stealing, though.

There certainly is a lot of pressure on artists to copy other artists, though. I've been told recently to do it from editors of established magazines! To some degree you have to copy other people's styles if you want to stay relevant. I really hate that, though.
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:iconsakura-studio:
=sakura-studio Aug 31, 2010   General Artist
Yeah, well it's an open site and they let peple post their minds even when the proofs are blurry. I think it's not this case in particular.
There's preassure in work, but you keep as truthfull as you can. i've been told for works too and that doesn't mean I've to. someone can develope a style from another people's style, but when that becomes copying an entire drawing or by parts, I knew just one case of a peson in real need of work for personal serious issues doing that, and it's not an excuse, but you've to see the the harm and attention the work traced gets over the original. you can choose to do it or not, and if you do, there'll be someone who'll notice...always.
Bout the editors, try changing them ;)
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:iconogawaburukku:
*OgawaBurukku Aug 31, 2010  Professional General Artist
Well tracing and mimicking are completely different issues. Mickey Mouse was a bastardization of Oswald the Lucky Rabbit, basically just with rounder ears, and Felix the Cat is more or less the same thing. Everyone borrows a little from someone else. But I'm pretty appalled by all the eyeballed pictures, copied pictures, etc on DA. If a person mentions they took inspiration from such and such, or that they referenced so and so, then it's not so bad since they probably aren't making any money off of their works and it's just for practice or something. But I don't see how a person can trace a picture and post it to their DA gallery without giving the original artist credit.

Ha, if only I was in a position to change editors... ^^;
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:iconsakura-studio:
=sakura-studio Aug 31, 2010   General Artist
that's what I ment exactly. I still don't think posting tracing is any good for anything, coz there's always the intention to "get nattention adn credit for something they didn't do"
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:iconogawaburukku:
*OgawaBurukku Aug 31, 2010  Professional General Artist
I think tracing is an okay trick for beginners, as PRACTICE, but they shouldn't post it to DA! People post tracings to groups I run, even though it's in the rules that we don't allow it, and it drives me nuts!

I like your term ARGHtist, btw.
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:iconstinawo:
=stinawo Aug 31, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I totally agree with you on this one. Reference would be a better solution for things like this but then again there are still those that abuse that point. The person in question, for example...obviously.

FYI, yes, there are a lot of similarities between Oswald and Mickey Mouse. They were created by the same two people after all (Walt Disney and Ub Iwerks). ;)
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:iconogawaburukku:
*OgawaBurukku Aug 31, 2010  Professional General Artist
Well yeah, I know about Walt's hand in the old Oswald cartoons, and I would love to see Oswald and Mickey together in a cartoon sometime, if that could ever happen. Recently there has been the issue of Simpsons vs. Family Guy-- the pilot for that was about a man and a dog (Peter and Brian prototypes) and they looked nothing like they do now. The reason that expanded into a family is because execs said "We want a show that is like the Simpsons". I think they took it a bit far, though, since the only really original aspect on that show is the baby and the dog, and by original I mean in comparison to the Simpsons. To his credit, though, I don't think Seth McFarland or whatever denies his constant "borrowings".

That artist who did the picture in question in this journal entry of the model by basically just using the "smoothen" tool on Photoshop could have said "I used such and such photo and manipulated it" and I really wouldn't see a problem with it. But they keep saying "I drew it! My drawing!" and that's just silly. Anytime I reference something, I make mention of it.
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